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In order to keep global peace and sustain a safe world,
many heads of state would gather at the UN for summit meetings.
On the other hand, there are those who were never officially
sent, but claim they represent their own countries.
These "Gs" hold meetings for the peace of youths in the world.
(Episode 167)
We hereby open up the floor.
I'm chairman Jeon Hyun-moo of Non-Summit.
- I'm secretary general Yoo Se-yoon. - I'm chairman Sung Si-kyung.
We're Jeon-Yoo-Sung!
(Welcome Representatives of Non-Summit!)
It's been a while since we've had a Korean representative.
We have psychiatrist Dr. Yang Jae-woong here with us today.
Welcome!
(Psychiatric healer who heals the wounds)
(A doctor who is both professional and warm)
(Psychiatrist Dr. Yang Jae-woong)
- Please introduce yourself. - Hello. I'm psychiatrist
Dr. Yang Jae-woong. It's nice to meet you.
He's very cool.
- Your older brother is Dr. Yang Jae-Jin. - Right.
He's pretty famous.
Is there a special reason why you guys both chose psychiatry out of all those majors?
To be in psychiatry, it has to fit with your personal dispositions.
I think we were drawn genetically to it.
- Your tie... - Did someone grab you by the collar?
I just felt a bit stuffy.
- Is that just your concept? - Yes. I watched "Show
Me The Money," and Tiger JK wore his tie like this.
"Do you guys know the mind?"
- You're very stylish. - Yes.
Before we came in here, I saw the fact that robots
will replace everything in the future on SNS.
One of the things robots won't be able to replace though is psychiatry.
I'm putting a lot of anticipation on that.
You want that kind of world to come quickly.
If you watch the movie "Her," it makes you realize that
even psychiatry will be able to be healed by robots.
- I often rely on Siri. - Right.
"That's an interesting question, Se-yoon."
(What kind of question did you ask...?)
Be honest. What did you ask?
"Do you know what love is?"
- And that's how she answered? - "That's an interesting question, Se-yoon."
(The same answer comes out every time...)
- I'm curious what we'll talk about with the psychiatrist today. - Yes.
This is a global report to dig up the inside
stories of the world's accidents. Is this real?
WHO and International Association for Suicide Prevention
have designated September 9 as World Suicide Prevention Day.
They've chosen this day in order for different countries
to come together and prepare countermeasures for suicide.
Recently, WHO has revealed a world health statistics
about the suicide rate from 183 countries.
For 12 years from 2003 to 2015, Korea has placed
number 1 in suicide rate among OECD countries.
Are these results true, and what is the cause of it? Please tell us.
There are two causes. One is a problem with social structure.
Because as a country we've quickly reached economic growth,
success has become personal happiness.
I think there aren't enough affective approaches to personal happiness.
I think that's the first reason.
Another reason is that our country has a lot of prejudice towards psychiatry.
They say 40% of suicides are due to mental symptoms.
(It takes a long time for people to use community mental health services.)
The reason why there's a record of 40% is because those are
- the people that actually get mental treatment. - Right.
In reality, there are far more people who don't go to the hospital.
- So the percentage can be bigger. - Right.
There's a 25% chance you can get a mental illness in your lifetime.
However, if we ask patients if they've received mental
counseling before, there's less than 10% of people who have.
Right. I've never someone say, "I have mental counseling."
- There's a stigma against it. - Right.
That means it's that much difficult to approach counseling.
In Canada, there's a 47% rate.
So that means about half of the population have received mental counseling before.
I have many Canadian friends who are like that. Some people even brag about it.
People don't see them as strange for doing that, do they?
People think, "Oh, they have some leisure. They take good care of themselves."
Like you're meeting a health trainer?
It's like you have a personal training. "Oh, they have that much leisure."
- You have leisure. - You're getting counseling.
Anyways, I think it's very important to take care of your mental health.
Let's hear what kind of mental illness are increasing in different countries.
In China, the majority of mental illnesses have to do with depression and autism.
In China, we call the three reasons of depression as the "3 Draws Model."
The first reason is the feeling of self-worthlessness.
The second reason is the feeling of being useless.
The final reason is the feeling of hopelessness.
In Italy, there is also an increase of patients suffering from depression.
The rate of suicide is low, but in the past ten years,
there has been a 20% increase of patients with depression.
They don't know the exact reason, but it might be because of your daily habits.
People can't sleep well and they can't differentiate between work and personal life.
On top of that, people increasingly drink, do drugs, and smoke.
Those kind of people get depression a lot.
They should just play games.
They say 1 in 5 adults in America have mental illnesses.
The most common illness is anxiety.
The second one is depression and the third one is bipolar disorder.
In Mexico, the situations are different for men and women.
Many men are addicted to alcohol.
Many women are bipolar.
The biggest problem is that the hospitals
that could treat them are all in Mexico City.
So the people who live in the country could
only get treatment if they come to Mexico City.
In that area, I think my government needs to make an effort.
Did you try to look like a foreigner today?
(Shy)
- Does it fit me? - He looks like a Super Saiyan.
- It suits you. - I feel like I'm the one with the most diverse hairstyle on here.
- You really look like a foreigner today. - Thank you.
The thing that has become a hot topic is a
mother's depression, called "la charge mentale."
It means that women don't have any time because
they have to keep thinking about family and work.
Even if they're doing something else, they're constantly worrying.
In Japan, depression is a serious issue, but the
most increasing one is postpartum depression.
So that's why it's becoming a societal issue.
Tokyo looked into it and found out that, unfortunately, 63 people
have committed suicide because of it in the past ten years.
In order to solve that, Japan came up with a service of postnatal care for moms.
After moms have babies, the service does counseling
as well as help with childcare and housework.
What kind of mental illnesses are the most common in our country?
I think it's quite similar.
There are many people with depression, anxiety disorders,
- OCD, and schizophrenia. - What about insomnia?
There are many people with insomnia.
Nowadays, many people talk about panic disorders on TV,
so I think many people wonder if they have panic disorders themselves.
There are many people who come to the hospital for that reason.
In our country, there's a strong rejection against taking medication.
But there's a worse stigma against psychiatric medication.
Some people on TV say they're taking medication for that,
which makes people feel more comfortable about it now.
We still have a long way to go, but more and more people in our country
are realizing that anyone can suffer from mental illnesses.
They say more people are looking for mental treatment organizations.
I'm curious what kind of awareness your countries have about this issue.
As China developed, it realized that mental health issues could occur.
In societal terms, they call it the department of psychiatry.
Currently, in most hospitals, they call it a psychology division.
- They changed the term. - Yes.
So, if you have light issues, you can get counseling at a psychology division.
If you have a really serious problem, that's when you'll go to
- a department of psychiatry. - Psychology division sounds nice.
- "Heart Division." - "Healing Division."
In France, there's a famous professor who specializes in mental health.
His name is Allen Frances.
He said Italy is the country that is best at treating people with mental illnesses.
Really?
I think there's a good system.
We have a mental health treatment center, and it's
called a "Center You Go In The Daytime" in Italian.
There's nothing about psychiatry in there.
My mom works as a nurse in one of those places.
Of course they give medication there,
but they mostly try to use other activities for treatment instead.
For example, some treatments are reading books
and newspapers, watching movies, debating,
playing volleyball and soccer, and cooking. There are many diverse activities.
In most cases, the patients continue working and return to their families at night.
I think that's pretty effective.
What you're talking about right now is called a daytime ward.
Our country has it as well, but the reason why it hasn't settled is because
the hospital says we won't profit from it and they won't let us do it.
Only a few national hospitals actually have this.
We aren't able to do this though because of financial reasons.
German has a great welfare system.
Having a mental illness is something normal, like having a cold.
You can benefit with medical insurance for up to 25 sessions.
In reality, can you go to mental hospitals often like when you have a cold?
There's major depression and short-term depression.
Short-term depression is really like a cold.
Anyone can get it, and over time, it can get better, but if you don't get
treatment right away, it can lead to serious effects, like suicide attempts.
When you're depressed, you go to your friend and have a drink with them.
In that time, you can go to a doctor and go,
"I have depression. What can I do about it?"
- That's ideal. - You're saying that'd be the best.
- I'm sorry for asking an abrupt question. - Go ahead.
I heard that it's effective if you get counseling in your native language.
- That's right. - We live in Korea, so if we need counseling...
Are you looking for someone who can speak Spanish?
Can you speak Spanish?
(Me?)
I really wonder if it won't be as effective,
Before, I studied for the American examination for a doctor's license.
I stopped right away. The reason is because I wondered
if Americans would really get counseling from me.
It can't be helped that emotions go hand-in-hand with counseling.
A language barrier could be an obstacle to continuous treatment.
In order to get more comfortable, let's have a
counseling session with him since he's here.
- Did you say 1/4? - Yes, 1 out of 4 people have mental illnesses.
Four of us here have problems.
I can't rest. If I rest, then I get nervous and depressed.
So even if have nothing to do, I have to pass
the time by forcing myself to do something.
You're telling this to the PD, right? That you can't rest?
- "If I rest, I'll get sick." - The same goes for me.
(PD, are you watching?)
Just pretend you're saving a life and...
I'm serious.
- Do you have to keep working or...? - I have to keep working.
Or do you have to be with someone?
I want to be alone, but I must be working.
- You take selfies. - I have a separate time for that.
There are many task-oriented people and workaholics.
It happens because of the thought that achievement identifies with yourself.
So you have to be able to be yourself even if you're not working.
That's a very cool and important saying.
People like this must force themselves to do nothing.
- If you feel like that's a waste... - It is!
You can try it through yoga.
- Yoga. - Yoga?
- It suits you. - Good idea.
Come back as blank Simlin.
You're working too hard right now.
- I have two obsessive-complusive symptoms. - Goodness.
The first one is that I must have the TV on at night
- in order to sleep well. - There are people like that.
Another one is bilateral symmetry.
I have a serious issue with that.
If I have bread on my left, I need bread on my right.
Then if a Canadian is on your left, you need another Canadian on your right?
(Left Guillaume, Right Guillaume)
Don't lie! You always have your hair parted to one side!
(I can't see my hair...)
In my opinion, that's just a compulsive tendency. It's not OCD.
It's a bit different.
But there will be times when there's no symmetry but you can't do anything about it.
You have to think about what you're going to do to comfort yourself then.
- Whether he can endure or not. - Yeah.
As for the TV, I feel like you can't endure isolation.
People who are addicted to smart phones can't stand being apart from society.
I think it's something similar.
He makes a connection before he sleeps.
I think you're afraid of losing that connection.
You should come to my clinic and have a deep discussion with me.
- You can't speak Spanish. - He can have a translator.
Well, if he can speak that much Korean...
(I'll come by sometime.)
I don't get angry.
- There are times I get mad at myself, but... - Should I make you mad?
It will be like a fight between spears and shields.
- I want to try it out now. - I'm confident.
Sometimes, you hear that it's healthy to get angry once in a while.
- That you have to release it sometimes. - Is it a problem or not?
- Do you suppress it? - Aren't Italians usually hot-tempered?
I'm hot-tempered as well. I get passionate and competitive when I play soccer.
Don't you get annoyed when your opponents tackle you during soccer?
During those times, I get revenge with words.
- How? - I stand up and go,
"Is that all you can do? You can't win against me.
Today will be an easy day for me because there's an awful player like you."
- I use my words. - You anger the people around you a lot, don't you?
- You pass your anger onto someone else. - That's the most annoying thing!
- When they don't get angry. - Pass the anger.
(Master at passing anger)
Before you told me that last part, I thought you had something that we call isolation.
There are people who are good at separating their logic and emotions.
The characteristic those people have is that they
have no problems but their bodies ache often.
They're not trained to recognize their feelings
and they actually don't wish to see their negative feelings.
- They avoid it. - Yes.
They divide their logic and emotions, and if they keep approaching things
logically, their bodies will ache, and they will become physically impaired.
Things like having headaches, sore necks, and stiff bodies.
But he gets revenge with words.
Seeing that you use your words, it's not like you don't release your anger.
(That's a relief.)
I don't think it's that you get angry.
I think you just have a good control of releasing it.
I have no pain at all.
I'm the opposite. If I don't eat when I have to, I get very angry.
Everyone is like that.
That's not a problem at all.
- Being angry is natural. - Yes.
I hope you don't go "what's wrong with me" when you get angry.
- Okay. - Since it's natural.
If you're working well and you have good relations with others,
then you don't have any mental problems.
So I hope you guys won't get scared that you might have some kind of mental illness.
In Korea in the past May, the mental health welfare law has changed.
Being admitted to the hospital with your and a guardian's consent has been reinforced.
It's a measure to reduce compulsory hospitalization in order to protect human rights.
The strict rules of mental patients to be admitted to the hospital will be changed.
What kind of changes are there in mental treatments?
There's something called voluntary admission now where
- patients can admit themselves whenever they want. - Yes.
There's consent admission where you need one
guardian's approval and one doctor's decision.
The third one is protective admission where you need
two guardians' approval and two doctors' diagnosis.
What's compulsory hospitalization?
That's synonymous to protective admission.
- Because the patient's consent is not there. - Right.
The change is that you need two guardians'
consent and two doctors' diagnosis for that now.
Recently, there has been a hot issue with violent offenders getting
their sentences reduced because they have mental illnesses.
In reality, what's the possibility for people with mental illnesses to commit crimes?
According to the investigations, 1.2% crimes are
committed by normal people and 0.08% by mental patients.
In reality, it's 15 times smaller.
That's a stereotype.
We wonder if the other countries have stereotypes of crimes and mental patients.
It's really severe in Japan.
We think that mental patients are people who are about to commit crimes.
- Many people think they're criminals as well. - That's a severe stigma.
Yes, but we have investigated that as well.
According to the police reports,
only about 1.5% of criminals were mental patients.
That means the remaining 98.5% of criminals are just normal people.
But normal people have a stereotype of that.
- It's similar. - Right.
Italy has a stereotype of that as well. The research results are the same.
There was a conclusion that mental illnesses are not directly relevant to crime rate.
But don't bipolar patients and psychopaths have
a much higher possibility of committing crimes?
From what I know, not bipolar patients.
It's possible for psychopaths though.
- So I had a stereotype as well. - Right.
Are you self-reflecting right now? I thought this was a public service ad.
(It's time to take off our glasses of stereotypes.)
I was going to explain, but he understood right away.
I'm kind of gullible.
Psychopaths and sociopaths have antisocial personality disorders.
It's a personality characteristic, and truth be told, they have no conscience.
So they feel no guilt if they harm someone.
That's why it's possible for them to commit murders or crimes.
I think France's minister of home affairs has a stereotype.
- The minister? - Yes.
Last month, he wanted the police to work
with a mental institution to stop terrorism.
He thinks mental patients equal terrorists. That's why it was surprising.
In America, people think mental patients are more dangerous
and have a higher possibility of committing crimes.
You know random gun fires?
The first thing articles ask if this person has a mental illness.
But just like everyone here has said before,
when they investigated, there's no difference of crime
rates between mental patients and normal people.
If people were addicted to alcohol or drugs, that could happen,
but it's not because of mental illnesses.
Abrupt actions in schizophrenia patients can be frightening,
which is why there's a lot of prejudice against them.
Things like auditory hallucination, visual hallucination, and delusion.
Normal reasoning starts crumbling apart.
Final stage is emotional bluntness.
They don't have any emotions like happiness, depression, anger, and sadness.
That's how hard it becomes.
If you guys want to understand schizophrenia, you should watch "It's Okay, It's Love."
You'll be able to accept it in a positive way then.
It shows you how Jo In-sung's character goes through the process.
It portrays how he doesn't try to harm anyone but suffers by himself.
There's also a movie called "A Beautiful Mind."
That, too, properly shows schizophrenia, so it will help you understand.
There's a drama, too. "Kill Me, Heal Me."
- "Kiyomi?" - "Kill Me, Heal Me."
Kill myself, heal myself. "Kill Me, Heal Me."
Oh, "Kill Me, Heal Me." That was such a New York pronunciation!
"Kill Me, Heal Me."
Anyways, there's that drama.
We're trying to make an effort by focusing on society as the cause of
mental illnesses instead of making it a personal issue.
What kind of efforts are different countries making?
There's a charity in Canada called "Bell Let's Talk."
The charity's motive is to talk about mental illnesses comfortably.
So on SNS, they have a hash tag and receive donations.
They made a lot of money. They already gathered 80
million dollars. They're still getting donations.
The problem in Swiss is that it's difficult for mental patients to get jobs.
So there's a service that offers job placement coach.
They first find out what kind of mental illness you have
and then find a job right for that.
It's a service that helps mental patients slowly adjust to society again.
In Germany, they're making an effort to help mental
patients work in the same society as normal people.
For example, during job interviews, they can't ask about mental illnesses.
And if they do ask you, it's legal to not say anything.
Really? That's great.
In our country, you don't have to show your
mental health history when you're getting a job.
- In our law? - Yes, there's nothing like that here.
The exception is jobs that require safety.
For example, mental illnesses count when you fly a plane
- or operate heavy machinery. - You must ask in those cases.
Ever since 1990 in America,
we have a mental health awareness week.
So there are many events like that in the beginning of October.
In Arizona, many mental patients have problems with housing.
So they help find housing and even support the rent.
You heard about many systems now. Which ones do you want to introduce to our country?
First of all, for me, I think prejudice is the scariest.
- Prejudice. - Right.
Once you're branded as a mental patient, it's like his or her life is over.
I wish there was a campaign on SNS, just like Guillaume said.
Truthfully, the patients have to be active.
"I'm a mental patient. So what? Help me out. Don't think I'm strange."
- They should open up. - They should open up and break the prejudice.
But people are afraid of the disadvantages they'll get after they open up.
- I hope they can open up. - It's not easy though.
Please tell us one way we can be mentally healthy.
There is a person you want to be and the person that you really are.
People face dilemmas because there's such a large gap between those two things.
But at one point in your life as you age, you have to accept
that this is what you want to be but this is who you are.
It's called self-satisfaction.
"That's okay. So what?" By thinking that way, you can live more comfortably.
When does that age start?
- Pardon? - The age when you have to accept that.
That's different from person to person.
I accepted it since I was 12 years old.
(Aurelien: Master at giving up)
It gets sad if the one you want to become is a younger you.
In that manner, I'm not unhappy.
- Why? - I hate myself when I was in my twenties.
I like how I am now. I was so pathetic back then.
I think it's important to be satisfied with how you are now.
- You have to accept you as who you are. - Right.
He's very satisfied.
Yes. I click "like" so many times.
(I like myself!)
Please tell us how you felt coming on the show today.
Regardless of the fact this was a heavy topic, it was very successful...
(Self-compliment?)
- Highest acclaim. - Highest acclaim.
You're very good at healing yourself.
I was happy we were able to discuss a lot about the stereotypes of psychiatry.
Thank you for everything.
Great. Non-Summit would like to heal your tired mental health.
- We'll start the official debate now. - Yes.
("Non-Summit Meeting")
(Entrance of Korean Representative)
She's someone who proved there is beautiful foot acting.
World-class ballerina and leader and artistic
director of Korean National Ballet, Kang Sue-Jin.
- Hello. - Welcome.
(The star who wrote a new history of Korea's ballet)
(My one and only rival is yesterday's Kang Sue-Jin.)
(Kang Sue-Jin: Legend of ballet)
Please introduce yourself.
I'm the leader and artistic director of Korea National Ballet, Kang Sue-Jin.
- Nice to meet you. - Hello.
(Welcome!)
- There's more time you spent overseas. - Right.
How long were you in German?
- Thirty years. - Thirty years.
Yes. Thirty years.
- Did you just call him "hey?" - No.
They're all so good at Korean, so I'm worried that I might be the worst at it.
- You only look at Nick while you talk. - No, it's because he's right in front of me.
Please tell us about Stuttgart Ballet.
Stuttgart Ballet is the first enormous ballet company made in 1600.
It's one of the most famous ballet companies in the world.
When Germans think of Stuttgart Ballet,
they think Stuttgart Ballet and Kang Sue-Jin are one. She's like the angel of ballet.
I thought Stuttgart was the name of a car brand, but it was a ballet company.
- I went there once. - It's beautiful, isn't it?
Not only that, but if you ate the food over there,
you wouldn't have been able to keep you figure.
Fortunately, German food was not my thing.
- That's a relief. - For 30 years, it didn't suit your taste?
It's because I can't eat meat.
What is the food that you most recently like to eat.
I like to eat vegetables and kimchi. Always kimchi.
- Did you import kimchi for 30 years then? - No, that's not it.
- "Kang Sue-Jin kimchi." - Sounds delicious.
- Sounds organic. - You can take photos of your hand covered in chili powder.
What do your countries think about her?
Well, since Swiss is near Germany, they know about her very well.
There's a famous ballet competition in Swiss called "Prix de Lausanne."
Kang Sue-Jin was the first Korean to receive first place.
I went out on the competition once, and I was fortunate enough to win an award then.
For me, the competition was a way of getting to know how other ballerinas are doing.
It was of great help to me.
- What happens when you win? - You get a scholarship.
- For rising stars. - Yes, since it was a junior competition.
This competition was made by the CEO of a Swiss watch company.
His wife was a Russian ballerina.
He made this competition for people who wanted to become ballerinas.
I heard he gives scholarships for one year.
You look very young now, but you got the award in the 20th century.
Yes, in 1985.
We weren't born yet.
I was one year old.
- Do you guys know how old she is right now? - I was born in 1967.
(Totally baby face)
- You're ten years older than me. - Sorry?
- You're ten years older than me. - So what?
(Age is just a number.)
- But Hyun-moo, you have a baby face, too. - A round baby face.
In China, they introduce her as a "world-class
ballerina who stood at the top of the world stage."
People even debated online if the picture of her feet was real or not.
I was in Europe, so I had no clue that the picture was being spread around the world.
I thought that would be the end, but after
that, feet from many different areas appeared.
But there's only one original photo, and that's the one my husband took.
- Is it that one? - Yes, it is.
- You must have worked hard. - Goodness.
My feet always hurt, but on that day, they hurt so much I just put them on the table.
My husband told me to stay still, and he took a picture.
In Japan, her feet comes out on the search list.
- Really? - In Japan, her retirement was on the news.
- She received an applause for 15 minutes at that performance. - It was tear-jerking.
- So she's known as a great ballerina. - You're Asia's pride.
Mark, you've met her before?
- Yes. - Yes, I know her.
I sponsor the national ballet company, so I go to see many performances.
(Amazing Mark./He's definitely rich.)
- What does he do? - He sponsors it.
But our first meeting was very impressive.
It was my first time at Seoul Arts Center,
but she spotted me first and gave me a hug while greeting me really happily.
It made me wonder if we had met before.
Later on, she came to me and said she felt like she knew me since she saw me on TV.
- I think she watches our show a lot. - Yes, I enjoy watching it.
I go, "Goodness. They are so good at speaking Korean.
Dear husband, please learn Korean."
(Her foreigner husband can't speak Korean that well yet.)
- Where is your husband from? - Turkey.
Oh, Turkey.
We met at the Stuttgart Ballet in German.
- Is he a ballerino? - Yes, he was.
Right now, he's the guest ballet master and adviser at Korea National Ballet.
There was something I was always curious about.
When a ballerina and a ballerino do a couple performance, you guys
have to spend a lot of time together and get to know each other well.
Don't you fall in love doing that?
Even for just a little moment?
In my case, whatever role I take, I always completely immerse myself in it.
- So if we do "Romeo and Juliet..." - You wouldn't fall then.
Oh, no. I was just using it as an example.
A Romeo who does this?
So while doing that role, if you don't fall in love, then you can't naturally act it.
Instead, once it's over, you guys are just friends.
Hollywood actress Natalie Portman met her husband on "Black Swan" and married him.
There are many cases like that.
There were ballerinos who showed interest in you, right?
Like he can't fall out of love with you?
Oh, the men? Of course.
(Why would he fall out of love?)
I was chosen by my husband.
(Now she can't fall out of love.)
Speaking of ballerinos, including the hosts,
which one of us have the figure and image of a ballerino?
You're saying you're confident, aren't you?
(Slender)
But...you guys are...
(Is hyper Romeo back?)
- How tall are you, Si-kyung? - I'm 187 centimeters tall.
(What about you, Hyun-moo?)
Today I'm 175 centimeters tall.
But the balance has to be right. There's a specific proportion for it.
I've performed with ballerinos shorter than me.
Please pick one of us.
Canadian's Guillaume. If you work out a little bit...
- I have to lose weight, don't I? - Just a teeny bit...
But Guillaume, you look like a prince.
(Did he suddenly turn into royalty...?)
Thank you.
And if you're a ballerino, you don't have to sing.
We'll officially start our meeting now.
- Let's listen to Kang Sue-jin's topic. - Shall we?
As a ballerina, I retired at a late age.
While starting my second life as the director of Korea National ballet,
this topic came to my mind, so I came to share with you guys.
I have overwhelming passion for work, so even if I retired, I keep working.
Am I abnormal?
- Aren't you tired? - Me?
- Like when you wake up, you're like, "I'm so tired." - I'm like that every day.
I'm tired every day.
However, once I start moving,
I get immersed, and my concentration gets high, so after that, I'm not tired at all.
So currently you're working as the leader and
artistic director of Korea National Ballet.
Please explain for us what you do specifically.
First, I go into my office.
(That's too specific.)
Do you call it administration? I get reported about that first.
I approve the documents and then when it's time, I go into the practice room and
rehearse with the ballerinas and ballerinos, which is still my favorite thing to do.
I see.
You must want to rest, and you're probably guaranteed a secure retirement in German.
- Exactly. - So why did you choose to new work?
I wanted to retire when I was at my best.
I've succeeded plenty of times in my area, too.
I got several offers from Korea asking if I can come as the artistic director.
But I thought that if I don't go now, I'll never go in the future.
So while agreeing to become the leader, I decided to retire.
So she's starting work again. Do you guys understand her?
- I completely understand her. - You do?
Because who gets to decide when you retire?
I think you can keep working after you retire if you want to.
Some people dream about doing what they want to do after they retire.
I think it's the hope of people who can't do that.
- You're having a hard time, aren't you? - Sorry?
Is teaching Japanese while doing this show
tiring?
Of course.
Do you want to retire?
(No way...)
If he retires now...
You might never work again.
I disagree...
I think you should rest after retiring.
Working after retiring
is just called getting a new job.
I think it's getting a new job.
And she's still working on a same field!
She's still in ballet.
I don't think that's retiring.
I think he's right.
I understand where Nick is coming from.
Do you still think you're better than...
Of course not!
(Sue-jin's return = Her successors' fear?)
(Watching her successors...)
(And gets frustrated.)
Come to the National Ballet
to see how good they are.
Is that the president talking?
Nope.
The current generation is amazing.
I agree with Nick.
Retirement is set when people's
efficiencies start to fall off.
In Asian culture especially...
Old people sometimes takes opportunities
away from the younger generation.
I think you should give your spot up
for people better than you.
But she's not there as a ballerina!
She's a super star.
I'm talking generally about retirements.
Season 2 has been going on for a while now.
(But...)
We have 3 from Pakistan waiting...
Were they from south Pakistan?
35 years...
We have resumes of people
from your town.
Our agenda today is, I keep working
even after retiring.
Am I abnormal?
Let's talk about our 2nd life
with Soo-Jin, who's looking for
new challenges after retiring.
What are some issues on retirements
in your country?
Like Korea has a phrase,
the second life...
We called it the second act.
Books on the second act
are becoming more popular.
I heard the word retire came from
changing tires.
Really?
I've never heard that before.
Me too!
My English teacher told me.
(Heated debate?)
(Re=back. Tirer= Pull.)
(Retirer=Retreat.)
I think it came from French.
(Still debating about it.)
I shouldn't have said that.
My English teacher told me that...
It's probably so you remember.
Anyways...
Like Robert De Niro in Intern...
Things only old people can do
in their second career.
(Older but wiser.)
They want to do it.
In China, we call it...
It means quit and rest.
But more people work hard in China
even after their retirements.
We now call it...
Spring?
Yes, the second spring.
The second heyday in life.
In France...
There was a limit to how much
retired people could earn.
There was a limit.
Why?
If experienced people kept working...
Young people don't have a chance...
But it was abolished in 2009.
It felt like...
Because the government can't take care
of them,
they let them take care of themselves.
Because the limit is gone!
It felt like they were saying,
go earn money.
No, it was earn money and go.
Swiss has a great pension
for retired people.
They never had to worry about money
after retiring.
But as Switzerland ages,
people are worried that our pensions
will have problems in the future.
So pension is becoming more expensive.
Retiring age for women is 64.
And 65 for men.
So the age for females is trying to change
to 65.
In September 24th...
Again?
A referendum!
He tells us what their monthly referendum
is about every week.
Japanese people...
Are jealous of pensions of other countries.
Poverty of old people in Japan...
Is a big problem.
Pension isn't enough.
They have no savings or people to rely on.
We have a phrase,
low class old people.
That's sad...
Some people predict that 90% of us
will end up as low class old people.
You guys aged quickly.
I thought Japan would be well prepared.
That's not true.
This Chinese character?
Exactly.
We have a phrase...
Baby boomers who were born
after World War 2 are now retiring.
But some of these people miss working.
So they get a new job
even if it's part time.
Just like Robert De Niro in Intern.
Mexico calls it...
American baby boomers.
Retired American people
come to Mexico and buy houses
by the beach
and live out their lives.
We're disappointed that...
The natives...
Can't freely walk around anymore.
It becomes a private property.
People could walk right up to the beach
from the street.
But because of mansions...
You can't walk through it.
Mexico has a big problem on retirements.
Mexican presidents have pensions.
Other countries receive 60 or 80%
of their wage when they were in office.
Mexican presidents receive 100%
of their previous wage for rest
of their lives.
Really?
Our previous president,
Felipe Calderon, was born in 1965.
He receives 800,000 pesos a month.
That's about $50,000.
A month?
($600,000 annual salary.)
Our tax is being wasted.
We aren't happy about it.
How many presidents are alive?
Too many.
(There are 4 left...)
When you retire in Italy...
Most people don't work again.
Retiring is people's dream.
Retired people get severance package
and the pension is 80%
of your last wage for the rest
of your life.
You get paid for doing nothing.
A lot of retired people immigrate.
We call it retired immigration.
People go to places with cheap
standards of living.
1 million retired people went in 2016.
Most people go to the Canary Island
in Spain.
It's by the sea with a perfect weather.
And it's cheap.
Or Eastern Europe is popular too.
Romania or Bulgaria...
South East Asia is popular too.
(Cheap to live and a great weather)
(are a must.)
You can just relax.
Most people go to places with cheap
standard of living.
But Korea is expensive.
(I guess so...)
(Everyone agrees.)
It is expensive!
Seoul is really expensive.
I thought Germany was expensive.
But not as much as here.
You have to live in Korea anyways.
But where's a good place to live
in your country after retiring?
See if you want to stay in Korea.
Let's hear it out.
Best Canadian city to retire in
is Victoria.
It's the most popular city in Canada.
It's also popular for immigrants.
A lot of Chinese moved there.
(Chinese immigrants drove up)
(the real estate price.)
In 2007, German and American magazines,
chose the best country to live in
after retiring.
Not a city, a country.
It was Mexico.
I saw that too!
Really?
Because it's so cheap.
Because Mexican currency
dropped in value,
when you bring foreign currency,
you can double it.
Double?
If I were to suggest a city...
I suggest De Chapala in Jalisco.
(Beautiful beaches.)
Tons of Americans live there.
Retired Americans.
They made their own community.
The one you hated?
Exactly!
Where the natives were kicked out from.
They're probably just standing around.
Huffington Post chose top 10 cities
to live in after retiring.
Abruzzo was a part of it.
Beautiful.
Its color is just different.
It's the middle part of Italy
which is beautiful.
Places like Toscana have a lot of tourists
and are really expensive.
But Abruzzo is really cheap.
With 1,000 dollars...
You can live comfortably.
That cheap?
And it has delicious food.
It's famous for lamb.
They have a famous wine too.
It's a great city.
A lot of French people go to Portugal.
There's an ocean,
there's a French community...
And you don't have to pay taxes
for 10 years when you move.
They must want immigrants.
It's a good law.
Americans don't move to any
houses or apartments.
A thing called...
Was made.
It's...
A silver town?
Not exactly.
It's a community of houses.
People in 50s and 60s mostly live there.
They can play sports or travel together.
My parents recently...
He's interested!
Baseball too?
After my parents retired,
they moved here.
That community.
Nagano is famous for people
with old age.
Matsukawamura is famous
for men having high life expectancy.
Japan has a lot of old people
who are single.
But that town has over 140 activity groups.
So old people don't get bored.
If it's only men, wouldn't it be boring?
(That's not what I said...)
That's depressing!
It's not a town where only men live.
It's where men live for a long time.
Why did I think that?
Are you interested in any of them?
Out of the cities they mentioned so far.
I thought Stuttgart was great.
(She lived there for 30 years.)
So Danke Sue-Jin was
your retirement present?
That almost made me cry even when
I had nothing to do with it.
Wow.
You didn't see it coming?
Everyone in the ballet,
people who work there
our staff...
Didn't tell me anything.
They were all in on it.
When I turned around to say bye
after our president came out,
the crowd did that...
You had no idea?
None.
Did that make you cry?
I thought I'd cry a lot.
But...
You didn't?
(She didn't cry at all.)
I normally cry a lot.
But?
But since I was so surprised...
I wanted to cry
but that was so beautiful.
It felt like a dream.
What retirement gifts in your country
became an issue?
Lee Young-pyo played for 2 years
for Vancouver Whitecaps.
His last game...
Had his face on the tickets.
That's so cool!
That's such an honor.
Italian soccer player, Francesco Totti...
(Played in AS Roma for 28 years.)
Retired in June.
(At the age of 41.)
When the Italian Space Agency
was launching a satellite,
they included Totti's uniform
in a space ship...
His uniform!
And launched it into space.
(Goodbye Totti.)
That was one of his many gifts.
That's kind of depressing.
They just sent him away!
Leave the Earth forever!
It was because a player will like him
will never come by again.
It's an honor.
Major League players who are facing
retirements
go on a retirement tour.
Every time they go to different cities,
that team holds a farewell event
and prepare a gift.
Mariano Rivera received a funny gift
recently when he retired.
Because his fastballs were too fast...
He broke a lot of bats...
So this team made a rocking chair
out of the bats he broke.
What a great idea!
(A great honor for pitchers.)
Are they the bats he broke?
Yes.
That's recognition.
(Lee Seung-yep's retirement tour)
(is ongoing in Korea.)
(Teams are preparing their gifts)
(to celebrate the legend's career.)
(A gold net to celebrate the uses of nets)
(to celebrate his home run balls.)
A traditional gift in Switzerland
for retired people is
giving a clock to retired people.
(Fitting for a country of watches.)
It means, thanks for spending time
for our company.
Now, we're giving you the time back.
Then just give them money!
The thing is...
Is it made in gold?
I heard America does something similar.
I heard they give Swiss watches...
My dad got a watch from his company
when he retired.
We give a necklace made from money.
Money necklace.
Stone necklace?
Money!
(Unbelievable.)
All your friends give to you.
So you can get anywhere between
50 to 100 of them.
So various designs are used
to make gifts stand out.
But it's more meaningful as a tradition
than the value of money.
Mexico's story is really sad.
This is depressing.
Giving gifts is shocking to me.
Retirement isn't a good thing in Mexico.
It's not something we congratulate
because our pension isn't adequate
and you can't work anymore.
It's not a situation where we celebrate.
No pensions is big...
(Stressed about adding pressure)
(to their families.)
It's a big stress.
Did your husband give you a gift
to celebrate your career?
He does it everyday!
(What?)
He gives you a gift everyday?
Let's not ask any further.
I want to know!
Let me brag about my husband...
Brag?
About my husband.
I'm a lucky girl.
Every time I'm thinking about something...
He does something for me.
Even if in my next life...
I would marry him again.
That's the best compliment!
That's the best thing to hear for men!
Does your husband think that too?
I didn't ask him that yet...
You probably should.
So what did he give you?
What did you have in mind
that he gave you?
Pretty clothes...
And a bag.
That's what you had in mind?
Of course not!
(Her imagination came true again?)
Even if he gives me a shirt...
I can tell he loves me a lot.
That's my biggest gift.
That's the best present.
How did you find him?
I'm a lucky girl.
That's enough.
Just like Sue-Jin, who works passionately
even after retiring,
who's famous for doing that
in your country?
The person that comes to my mind
is a former boxer, George Foreman.
He was a very successful boxer.
He loves meat just like Guillaumme.
He got into a grill business.
(It was very successful.)
(Does his own commercials too.)
It sold a lot!
It's trustworthy.
If a champion endorsed that product,
people will trust it.
He eared 3 times more money
than he did in boxing.
Most of households in United States
own this grill.
(National grill.)
Carla Bruni is an Italian model.
She started a new career as a musician.
She had a 3rd career too.
She was our first lady.
A first female taxi driver
is famous in Pakistan.
She was a housewife at first.
But her husband died...
And she had to raise 6 kids...
So after thinking about what to do,
she decided to become a taxi driver.
She became very successful.
More and more women and becoming
taxi drivers now.
I'm very proud of her.
There's a retired MMA fighter named
Sudo Genki.
After he retired,
he made a performance group called
World Order for singing and dancing.
They specialize in popping dance.
The one I did before.
You move mechanically.
A MMA fighter?
(Became viral on social media.)
Wow, amazing.
(Famous for its mechanical choreographs.)
(Sumimasen?)
(Nope!)
(Recognized for his 2nd career.)
There's a grandpa named Wang Duksoon.
He used to be in theater.
He started working out after he turned 50.
At 79 years old,
he became a model at a fashion show
and became a sensation.
(He's in a better shape than some guys)
(in their 20s.)
Doesn't he look like Poseidon?
He's a model for famous
Italian and American brands.
That's awesome.
Do you know retired ballerinas
who do things totally unrelated to ballet?
A lot of them become ballet instructors.
We're all experts.
But I think even if it's unrelated
to ballet,
having a courage to try new things
is important.
Ballerinas' career is very short.
We have to use our bodies a lot.
I know a French ballerina.
After she quit ballet,
she's been farming.
She lives in the country side.
After my husband retired,
he opened a travel agency.
But after 2 years,
it wasn't something that he liked.
He's teaching ballet now.
This could be something similar.
Someone who recently retired
and that I have high respect for...
Is a Japanese soccer player, Nakata.
He retired too early.
He said he's not interested in soccer now.
He said he's played it enough.
Then he started trying to make
sake as popular as Italian wines.
He's representing sake now.
He even came to Korea.
(Held a sake pairing dinner in Korea.)
(An editor for a British magazine too.)
Then I can...
Without retiring...
I can help spread rice wine.
I think that's a good idea.
Let's find out about famous people
who backed out from their retirement.
Miyazaki Hayao is famous for that
in Japan.
He came back at least 4 times.
4?
Japanese people call it...
Retirement fraud.
He's working on his real last project now.
We should trust him.
But I found someone much worse.
Who is it?
Atsushi Onita.
He's a pro wrestler.
He said he's retiring again this year...
For the 7th time.
When people think it's his last match,
the anticipation goes up and more people
buy tickets.
But it's not true at the end.
After 6 times...
When is he coming back?
That's what people are saying.
(His 7th retirement match is on 10/31.)
I want to retire on October 31st
at Korakuen Hall.
The boxer, Floyd Mayweather...
After he won against Pacquiao...
He said he's retiring.
But after McGregor kept challenging him
by saying, come back to the ring
to fight him...
They fought recently.
He won again...
And he said he's retiring again.
But reporters asked him,
that's what you said that last time.
Any chance you might come back again?
His response was funny.
If I can work for 36 minutes
and earn $400 million,
who could say no?
He might come back again.
That was the best promotion I've seen.
(What's next for The Money Team?)
If people who watched it had fun...
Then I think it's fine.
Retiring is a bit...
I had a plan for my retirement
and my last performance.
But some people do come back.
They're that passionate
and missed the stage that much.
How could you stop that?
If people really want to do it again,
they should do it.
Then would you ever consider...
No thank you.
No thank you?
I worked so hard to not have any regrets
on my last performance.
I worked tirelessly.
To go back to that level
if I wanted to come back...
I don't think I can do it again.
A lot of people are worried
about what they'll do after retiring.
What's popular in your country?
Popular jobs?
What's popular in your country?
Popular jobs?
Japanese love getting qualifications.
A lot of people try to get
qualifications after retiring.
I saw the ranking for
popular qualifications for people in 60s.
Most of the high rankings had to do with
silver care.
Aging population is a big problem in Japan.
Most people think of it as a hobby.
But silver care is out of necessities.
It's popular as a future job.
Since 2005, the number of retired people
looking for jobs has doubled.
But if they earn more than $450 a month,
their pensions will decrease
and pay more taxes.
That's why jobs like janitors,
cashiers, or part time jobs are popular.
Just enough to earn less that $450.
Yes, precisely.
Italians don't think of it as working
after retirements.
We consider it more as a hobby.
Earning money while enjoying hobbies
is always nice.
A bit of a pocket money.
Most popular job amongst men is
youth football coach.
Teaching football to kids.
It doesn't earn a lot of money,
but it's fun.
Most popular job for women
is becoming a house sitters.
People with second homes or people
who go on business trips a lot
can't take care of their home.
So they go and water the gardens,
clean, circulate the air...
(Taking care of empty houses.)
I don't think you can do that in Mexico.
If you get caught having another job
when you're receiving pension,
your pension gets canceled.
Mexico is the worst place to retire in.
(Totally...)
Everything's so depressing.
You can't work, you don't get a gift...
It's so sad...
So you just have to stay at home?
I guess that's why we watch
TV the most.
Then if previous presidents get paid
for lectures, shouldn't his pension stop?
I guess so.
(But it doesn't...)
But they don't need to work.
Most people save up before retiring
start a business before retiring
so they can keep their pension.
Doing a business is okay?
You have to start your business
before you retire.
Holding a stop sign in front
of elementary schools is popular in Canada.
I've seen that.
(It's popular because it's not difficult.)
Grandpas like it because they only
work for 4 hours a day
and get the weekends off
to enjoy their hobbies.
Most people in Pakistan don't work
when they retire.
Because our families are so big,
sons think...
Taking care of their parents is an honor.
It's in our culture.
So there isn't that big of a problem.
But there's one thing that people wanna do.
We have to go to Mecca
at least once in our life to go pray.
Most people wanna go when they retire
because they don't have time
and money while working.
Going to Mecca after retiring
is very popular.
In China, farming after retirements
is very popular.
That must be tiring...
It is!
Whenever I ask my mom to come to Korea,
her excuse is...
She has to water the cucumbers.
Does she sell cucumbers?
No.
We don't eat our cucumbers.
It's a show off to our neighbors.
With cucumbers?
Does she post pictures of it
on her social media?
(#Cucumbers.)
Show Me The Cucumber.
Mom thinks she has to show her neighbors
how big she raised them.
She should bring her on this show.
We heard about her so much.
Pork grease gets rid of pimples.
She told me to wear pants if I wanted
to wear ripped jeans.
She was a famous gangster in my town.
She hit people with a pillar.
A pillar?
I bet there's a twist.
What if she says, they're all lies!
My son lied about me!
I never did that!
I don't grow cucumbers!
(But it was true.)
(Shows off her big cucumbers.)
Did you ever wanna do something else?
I did a long time ago
before I went abroad!
A flight attendant.
That was the only time.
You should've been great.
But I take airplanes all the time.
So my dreams of flying became true.
I want to focus on what I do now.
I want to manager the ballet well.
But who knows?
No one knows what's going to happen.
Nothing's certain?
I didn't find something that interests me
besides ballet.
You guys are all young now.
But when you do retire in the future,
if you had to choose your 2nd career,
what will you choose?
I already retired once.
I was a professional gamer
between 18 and 23 years old.
10 years later I retired,
I started doing TV.
This is my 2nd career.
Nothing after that?
After I stop doing TV?
Why?
Did I do something wrong?
No!
We're restructuring soon.
Do you have other Canadians to replace me?
If I stop working here...
I don't know...
Meat business.
I want to open a restaurant
that only sells one food.
It suits you.
What will you sell?
I want it to be galbitang.
Why?
Because...
It's a good hangover food.
Galbitang in restaurants that have
big menus suck.
I'm confident I can make food galbitang
if I focus on that.
No restaurants only sell galbitang.
Guillaumetang?
Who'd eat it?
I think you can sell it.
Would you eat it?
(No, sorry...)
Something I like and what I'm confident in
is cooking.
I can make almost all Chinese dishes
that you can think of.
Yooringi!
It's easy.
You should work for his restaurant.
Dim sum.
That's easy!
Mapo tofu.
Only for you.
That's fine!
It's really easy.
I want to own a Chinese restaurant
in Korea.
What do you want to call it?
Simlin House?
What a let down!
(Guillaumetang is better!)
How about Simlin Gak?
(Satisfied.)
I have 2 things that I wanna do.
I want to play ping pong in the morning.
Play ping pong and...
I want to do calligraphy in the afternoon.
I took a lot of classes
when I was in China!
You'll never get angry.
I love it.
Calligraphy...
I want to be an artist.
I can picture it in my head.
I want to build a hanok
in a countryside
and I can do calligraphy
or paint minhwas.
So you want to paint tigers?
Yes, exactly.
Minhwa and calligraphy will be perfect.
Hanok inspired me a lot.
Do you smoke out of pipes too?
(Minhwa swag.)
(Mark loves hanok.)
You even sponsor ballet!
You should try pas de deux!
Me?
Yeah!
You'll love it!
I tried using this body to dance once...
I'm terrible.
It's okay!
But after being at a couple of shows...
I think I can follow the gestures.
(It looks more like a mime.)
Guillaume is after that part already.
I'm a prince.
After looking at him for a while,
I see something other than a prince in him.
That was my 1st compliment in 3 years.
All parts are important!
Right?
The prince isn't always the best.
Really?
Of course!
Aurelien, did you think about that?
Before I start my 2nd life...
I think I'll die.
What's wrong with you!
I have a reason!
It was the eggs last month.
It was huge!
We keep inhaling micro dusts too...
I don't think I can live for a long time.
French people are always like this!
When I retire...
France would've bankrupt.
(He's so pessimistic.)
That's why always trying your best
everyday to not have regrets is important.
Exactly!
Then start your day with energy
every morning!
Kang Sue-jin's agenda for
167th meeting
was I'm so passionate about work,
I'm still working after retiring.
Am I abnormal?
She's famous for her efforts and passions.
Her nick name is practice bug,
iron butterfly and deformed feet.
What else would you like to be called as?
I was always thankful in my life.
I want to be known as an artist
who always tried her best.
That'd be a great honor.
Okay.
I heard you have a show coming up.
It's a ballet show to celebrate and hope
the success of Pyeongchang Olympic.
It's from 11/1 to 11/5
in Seoul Art Center.
The whole world gathers for the Olympics.
So our National Ballet
will try our best
to give inspirations and happiness
to our audience.
We're working hard!
I'm looking forward to it.
What did you think about today?
I love watching this show.
I'm so glad I got to come here today.
I had a great time.
Thank you!
(Thank you for coming today.)
Non Summit Meeting will adjourn.
Until we're all normal again.
For Sue-Jin, who did ballet until 50
and living a new life as a director,
I have a song for you.
For Sue-Jin, who did ballet until 50
and living a new life as a director,
I have a song for you...
At 50 years old...
If hell tells you to retire...
Say that you're too young to retire yet.
Adjourned!
(Brothers Special for Thanksgiving!)
(Aurelien and Ogi's brothers are here!)
(Taking a trip with brothers!)
(Hyun-moo and Se-yoon, the only Childs)
(get brothers for Thanksgiving!)
(Will they get along?)
It's their first time in Asia.
(Aurelien prepared everything.)
(Seoul in and Tokyo out!)
(Beach clean up?)
I'll be right back.
(Strict.)
(How French people raise their kids.)
(But Hyun-moo is different.)
(Classy conversation of)
(9 years old boy and 39 years old boy.)
Stupid?
(Ridiculous dad jokes.)
(Close but so far away.)
This is exhausting.
My brother's birthday is coming up.
(Yoshinobu and Shinji.)
(Ogi is the guide today.)
(Very quiet Kurasaki.)
(Artistic Naoshima.)
(What did Ogi prepare?)
(Y is missing.)
(Ogi's constant mistakes.)
This is awkward.
(He never traveled with brothers before.)
(He looks isolated.)
(Can they get along?)
(A lot of things to see and hear...)
(In this special trip of 8 people.)
(The stories of brothers is coming soon.)
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